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Proper child care means a high level of interaction with well-educated people who speak crisply perfect English.

For the child, this is a time when they are developing language and cultural habits that will have a lifelong impact, ultimately impacting the quality of their employment and spouse. Immigrants will not provide that. It's hard enough finding non-immigrants who can provide it.



Why do they need to speak perfect English? Are you worried the child will develop an accent or something? Unless the child is spending 24 hours a day with this person for months I don't think that's going to happen. And what "cultural habits" are you worried the child is going to pick up or not pick up from spending time with an immigrant?


Many children grow up fine in families where both parents are immigrants and cannot speak English well. The key point is "a high level of interaction" rather than the competency of the language they speak.


Nonsense. I speak English with a strong Scandinavian accept. My ex speaks RP ("posh" English). Our child minder speaks with a very noticeable South London accent.

Want to guess who he's taken after? His friends. He has a much more neutral accent than either one of us.

That's not to say your interaction or the childminders will have no impact, but if any single person has such a substantial impact on the way your child speaks, then you should be more concerned about their isolation than the English skill of one specific person they're interacting with.


>with well-educated people who speak crisply perfect English

Source? Personally, i'd rather my kid have an immigrant baby sitter speaking and teaching my child in their native language. Plenty of studies around long term intelligence of children learning second languages early on....


> Plenty of studies around long term intelligence of children learning second languages early on....

This in itself may be a myth:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/debate-rages-over...


What about the research indicating improved cognitive capabilities in adults who became multilingual as children? Isn't it just as likely that children who grow up exposed to multiple cultures end up better able to maneuver through a complicated, multi-cultural world?

Hearing nothing but "crisply perfect English" as children robs them of this gift, and normalizes exclusion to them — at the level of awareness that all of the lessons we learn at that tender age: too deeply even to notice, let alone change, without considerable effort, or some specific motivating factor or event (which, having internalized exclusion, is structurally less likely to happen, in the first place).

To me, that's improper child care.


> Proper child care means a high level of interaction with well-educated people who speak crisply perfect English.

So 95% of children aren't cared for properly? Elitist bull.


What do you have against striving to be elite? Being elite is admirable. One should strive to rise in society, not sink. Success beats failure.

It's a matter of degree of course, and there is no perfection, but that doesn't mean one should be complacent with less than the best.


Just as a matter of logistics, very few people can have that version of "proper" child care because only so many people are qualified to give it, and there are competing uses for those resources. Feel free to strive for the best, but "the best" is not the only proper thing, lest "proper" be meaningless.


I dunno. I was at the mercy of semi-literate, chain-smoking trailer trash, and I turned out alright. The bar is very low in childcare.




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