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> It's got thousands of standard functions in the global name space

There is exactly 0 difference between prefixing a function, and putting it in a different namespace. All those functions have prefixes and are very easy to locate and understand.

It's literally the difference between \foo\bar and foo_bar. It makes no difference for understanding the function.

The only advantage of a formal namespace is you can "own" it, and other code can't put things in there. Not having it does not making the core language harder to understand.

> quite a lot of syntax

It's basically the syntax of C. The most complicated parts are lambda functions and references. And that's nothing. Where are you getting "quite a lot of syntax" from?

Classes have a bit of syntax, but it's hardly "quite a lot", and the nice this is you don't have to learn any of it to get started.

> a high level of verbosity in many places

Where? PHP is not especially verbose. Examples?

> a variety of quirks and inconsistencies, etc.

There's basically just two: Comparing an empty string and the mistake with precedence on the ternary operator. Everything else confusing is the difference between arrays and Key/Value structures, and it's not really not that hard to figure out.

> PHP is a very big, very complex, language, that takes years to master.

It is not very big. The core language can be learned in a week. It's not very complex either - it's among the easiest languages out there.

> Many other languages are much better teaching/learning languages.

Not because they are easier - because they are harder!! They are more structured and you have to understand more - that makes them good to teach concepts. PHP was never intended as a teaching language.



"Not because they are easier - because they are harder!!"

That doesn't make sense.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. I believe there are many languages, including some often used for web development, that are easier (and better teaching/learning languages) than PHP in several regards. Python is the most obvious but Ruby also fits the bill.




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