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Yeah, exactly. TSMC has the premier process right now and is at capacity making chips for Apple, Qualcomm and other high margin (i.e. well-paying) customers. Cutting off the oddball folks for PR reasons costs them nothing at the moment.


I’m not sure Huawei is a small value oddball anymore.


Huawei is bigger than Apple. It's not exactly an oddball.


Not as a TSMC fab customer it isn't, not remotely. The overwhelming bulk of Huawei's revenue remains in device manufacturing. They're a very recent entrant into the SoC market, and not moving a lot of product there.


Huawei needs more chips than Apple, and are moving to produce all of their own chips. As a TSMC fab customer it's at least of the same scale as Apple.


Repeating the same lie in a reply doesn’t make it true. Recently there’s been an influx in the past few days of tons of sinophiles.


Is it true or not that Huawei sells more devices than Apple? : https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin/2020/12/30/huawei-still-...

Is it true or not that Huawei wanted to use HiSilicon for all of their phones? That is obviously true.

The consequence is that Huawei needs more chips than Apple, that would have been sourced from TSMC. Therefore, they had the intention to be a customer of at least equal size as Apple to TSMC.

How is any of this a lie? I fail to see how much money Huawei makes from this or that changes that Huawei needs more processors than Apple.


> Is it true or not that Huawei wanted to use HiSilicon for all of their phones? That is obviously true.

"Wanted to" is not the same as "does". If TSMC wanted to preserve a potential growth market for their fab, they'd prioritize Huawei/HiSilicon. But they don't, because they're at capacity making chips for western designers already. So they can kill off the Huawei business without worry, because it's not costing them anything. Free PR.


They may need more chips but they don't necessarily need the same mix of chips, Huawei devices don't require A13's.

I mean the z80 was still manufactured until recently and used all over in devices, tsmc isn't going to make those on a 7nm prpcess.


And they will have to buy chips from Qualcomm or Mediatek at their low end. Which is still business from TSMC.

So in the context of TSMC, it is irrelevant.

The same goes for their 5G RAN equipment.


So what you are saying is that A who buys less from them is a bigger customer than B who buys more? Huawei buys more SoCs than apple hence they are a bigger customer. So that would make Apple small fry in your world. Not very likely.


Except as just stated in the above comment, Huawei does not actually buy more SoCs than Apple.


By what measure? They have less than half the revenue, and only 9b in profits last year.


Total phone sales, in number of units, which is what matters when figuring out how many chips to make, as well as market share as a proportion of units.


You are also going to need to factor in upcoming Mac sales as well.

And for all we know Apple may move to a multi-CPU strategy for its higher end products meaning you will get significantly more volume.


For all we know Huawei might do so too, plus HiSilicon makes their own modems while Apple buys them from Intel.

Mac sales are essentially insignificant compared to phone sales, and nowhere near enough to make up the gap in units between Huawei and Apple.




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