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Are you really claiming that perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) is safe? I'm not going to quote the whole "toxicology" section of wikipedia on that chemical but strongly recommend you read it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfluorooctanoic_acid#Toxicol...

PFOA was explicitly banned in the US in 2014, after being phased out the year before, due to it's toxicity. Teflon changed their manufacturing process so it's made with polytetrafluoroethylene instead. So yes, pans made with teflon before 2014 absolutely due contain a toxic chemical.



No. I literally said the opposite.

> Teflon changed their manufacturing process so it's made with polytetrafluoroethylene instead. So yes, pans made with teflon before 2014 absolutely due contain a toxic chemical.

Incorrect. Just because something is used as a chemical precursor in a manufacturing process, does not mean that it is present in the final manufactured product.

Teflon is an solid, non-reactive material. PFOA is a liquid acid. They are very, very different things. Even if manufactured Teflon contained any residual PFOA (it doesn't), it would be washed away the first time you rinsed the pan.


> Most manufacturers assumed that PFOA burns off during the process of manufacture, but traces of PFOA were found in some Teflon-coated cookware.

> A 1999 study found that 98% of people in the United States had PFOA in their blood. This was due to environmental exposure to the chemical. As a result, the US EPA put up a program to eliminate the use of PFOA by 2015.

https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/is-teflon-coating-safe

They just assumed it burned off, but never tested it. It wasn't until 2021 that they had to actually test and report for extra chemicals left in, well after it was banned.

What happens when you actually test it?

> In this study, we identified and measured perfluoroalkyl carboxylates (PFCAs), particularly PFOA, and fluorotelomer alcohols (FTOHs; 6:2 FTOH and 8:2 FTOH), released from nonstick cookware into the gas phase under normal cooking temperatures (179 to 233 degrees C surface temperature). PFOA was released into the gas phase at 7-337 ng (11-503 pg/cm2) per pan from four brands of nonstick frying pans.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17593716/

So yes, it absolutely contained residual PFOA, and no it didn't wash off.


Hilariously, the webmd link you cited repeats what I said above:

> The use of PFOA in the manufacturing of Teflon-coated cookware has been completely stopped. But, even when PFOA is used, it poses little or no harm to your health. Teflon on its own is safe and can’t harm you when you ingest it.

...not that I think webmd is worth citing.

But OK, one paper you dug up found an incredibly tiny amount (500 picograms per square centimeter, at the highest), which they said declined over time for half the pans tested (I'm guessing the ones with the highest initial readings). Meanwhile, other groups didn't see the same thing:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16096677/

> Commercial grade cookware was obtained, then extracted with water and ethanol/water mixtures at 100 and 125 degrees C, and the resulting extracts were analyzed by liquid chromatography tandem mass spectrometry (LC/MS/MS). Detection and quantification limits as low as 100 pg cm(-2) were demonstrated. None of the fluoropolymer treated cookware samples analyzed showed detectable levels of PFOA when extracted under simulated cooking conditions.

Anyway, I'm not going to get excited over a single paper, showing incredibly minute amounts of something which, as you say, is now ubiquitous in the environment (hello, cross-contamination risk!). The paper may or may not have been methodologically valid. You do you.


Manufactured with a toxic chemical




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