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If you're reading this, you're probably too small.

I believe ORCL wants to drive off all their nuisance D and E customers, which is all the riffraff not paying them $50m/yr. After taking over Sun, they've moved all the good stuff behind a paywall, jacked the cost of legacy products and of supporting them, added onerous contracts with stiff penalties. For example, if you ever drop support, there's a big fine to rejoin. Another example is if you're an OEM they make it very very hard to simply sell their stuff. My $work is an OEM that also uses several products ORCL bought that used to be okay, but now we're getting off them before the sleaze and expense kills us.

So Java is probably one of those standalone business units they need but hope it will make a little profit of its own. The first attempt to monetize, sue GOOG, didn't go so good if you recall.



I believe the crapware bundling was started by Sun, it predates acquisition.


Most of the time Sun just used it to advertise OpenOffice which was their own product.

Does anyone remember if Sun at any time bundled adware or other forms of crapware, esp. using deceptive tactics?


Sun Java included either the Google or Yahoo browser toolbar, and IIRC it prompted you about an antivirus program for a while.


Thanks. I was obviously looking at Sun through rose colored shades




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